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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] NNTP woes
| [I] NNTP woes [message #260012] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 16:09 |
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Having trouble posting - a whole bunch of my posts end up staying in my
Drafts folder because they spit out an error message:
First:
A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
and then:
Sending of message failed.
The message could not be posted because connecting to the news server
failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing connections.
I'm using news.chello.se - which in all other respects works fine, so I
don't need to move - don't need authentication to get in, and so on. All
the config seems right. Tried calling the support line:
"Hi, I'm having trouble with posting to Usenet..."
"Usenet?"
"Yeah, you know - newsgroups, NNTP and so on."
"What's that?"
It went downhill from there.
Oh, and I'm using Thunderbird. Any idea what could be the buggeration?
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260031 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 17:02 |
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:09:16 +0200, Torak
<perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>Having trouble posting - a whole bunch of my posts end up staying in my
>Drafts folder because they spit out an error message:
>
>First:
>
>A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
Are these posts crossposted? Which group(s) are they going to?
Is it always the same group or group?
--
Andy Brown
Quando omni flunkus moritati (when all else fails play dead)
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260041 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 17:52 |
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Torak wrote:
> Tried calling the support line:
>
> "Hi, I'm having trouble with posting to Usenet..."
> "Usenet?"
> "Yeah, you know - newsgroups, NNTP and so on."
> "What's that?"
>
> It went downhill from there.
Try that on AOL (when I was still using it to access newgroups, that
is).
Me: "Hi, I'm having trouble posting to USENET."
Them: "Try the 'help' section, that should help you."
Me: "No, I mean I know *how* to post, but most of my posts aren't
making it there and most of everyone else's aren't showing up here."
Them: "Are you using an AOL newsgroup?"
Me: "No, it's alt.fan.pratchett."
Them: "Then I suggest you contact the vendor of the product."
Me: "Vendor of the product? It's USENET!"
Them: "I'm now going to pimp broadband, please stand by..."
CCA
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260050 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 19:23 |
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Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Having trouble posting - a whole bunch of my posts end up staying in
> my Drafts folder because they spit out an error message:
>
> First:
>
> A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
EMP likely means "Excessive Multi Post". Either they're limiting your
posting to <NN> posts per <period>, or reject crossposts going to more than
<NN> groups.
> and then:
>
> Sending of message failed.
>
> The message could not be posted because connecting to the news server
> failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing connections.
Is it a client that would give a reliable error message, or is it dumbed
down product that will print a fake generic error message no matter what the
real error is?
> I'm using news.chello.se - which in all other respects works fine, so
> I don't need to move - don't need authentication to get in, and so
> on. All the config seems right. Tried calling the support line:
>
> "Hi, I'm having trouble with posting to Usenet..."
> "Usenet?"
> "Yeah, you know - newsgroups, NNTP and so on."
> "What's that?"
>
> It went downhill from there.
Ask to speak to the newsadmin. If they don't know, ask for their
supervisor. Repeat, rinse, repeat, until you get to speak to the poor guy
at the bottom of the food chain that actually knows what's going on, and has
been asked to implement this draconic measure despite his better knowledge.
> Oh, and I'm using Thunderbird. Any idea what could be the buggeration?
Well, Thunderbird /is/ somewhat dumbed down, like the other Firefox-series
products, so I wouldn't trust its error messages. What's returned from the
server, though, should be correct.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260122 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 22:32 |
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jester wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:09:16 +0200, Torak
> <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Having trouble posting - a whole bunch of my posts end up staying in my
>>Drafts folder because they spit out an error message:
>>
>>First:
>>
>>A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
>
> Are these posts crossposted? Which group(s) are they going to?
> Is it always the same group or group?
There are more groups?
Yeah, they're all to AFP. No apparent common denominator in length,
content, or anything.
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260123 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 22:35 |
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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Having trouble posting - a whole bunch of my posts end up staying in
>> my Drafts folder because they spit out an error message:
>>
>> First:
>>
>> A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
>
> EMP likely means "Excessive Multi Post". Either they're limiting your
> posting to <NN> posts per <period>, or reject crossposts going to more
> than <NN> groups.
There seems to be no connection to time, though. The occurrences seem
completely random; it doesn't seem to matter how many I've posted, how
recently I posted before, the time of day... But the ones sitting in my
Drafts folder - the ones that didn't post - still won't post. Seems
message-speffic.
>> and then:
>>
>> Sending of message failed.
>>
>> The message could not be posted because connecting to the news server
>> failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing connections.
>
> Is it a client that would give a reliable error message, or is it dumbed
> down product that will print a fake generic error message no matter what
> the real error is?
>
>> I'm using news.chello.se - which in all other respects works fine, so
>> I don't need to move - don't need authentication to get in, and so
>> on. All the config seems right. Tried calling the support line:
>>
>> "Hi, I'm having trouble with posting to Usenet..."
>> "Usenet?"
>> "Yeah, you know - newsgroups, NNTP and so on."
>> "What's that?"
>>
>> It went downhill from there.
>
> Ask to speak to the newsadmin. If they don't know, ask for their
> supervisor. Repeat, rinse, repeat, until you get to speak to the poor
> guy at the bottom of the food chain that actually knows what's going on,
> and has been asked to implement this draconic measure despite his better
> knowledge.
Hehe... I'll try that tomorrow - they said they'd give me a call, though.
>> Oh, and I'm using Thunderbird. Any idea what could be the buggeration?
>
> Well, Thunderbird /is/ somewhat dumbed down, like the other
> Firefox-series products, so I wouldn't trust its error messages. What's
> returned from the server, though, should be correct.
Yeah.
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260142 ] |
Mi, 26 April 2006 23:51 |
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Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
>>
>> EMP likely means "Excessive Multi Post". Either they're limiting
>> your posting to <NN> posts per <period>, or reject crossposts going
>> to more than <NN> groups.
>
> There seems to be no connection to time, though. The occurrences seem
> completely random; it doesn't seem to matter how many I've posted, how
> recently I posted before, the time of day... But the ones sitting in
> my Drafts folder - the ones that didn't post - still won't post. Seems
> message-speffic.
In that case, the news server might think that it's already been posted, and
trigger an Excessive Multi Post warning because you try to post it again.
See <URL:http://news.individual.net/faq.php?printme#2.8> for details.
Have you tried looking at Google News to see whether the posting actually
made it to the outside world? If not, I'd cut and paste it into a new post,
with a few minor variations.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260149 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 00:08 |
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Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
>
> There seems to be no connection to time, though. The occurrences seem
> completely random; it doesn't seem to matter how many I've posted, how
> recently I posted before, the time of day... But the ones sitting in
> my Drafts folder - the ones that didn't post - still won't post. Seems
> message-speffic.
Checking a bit further, I find this information in the cleanfeed docs:
"do_phl
Turns on the NNTP-Posting-Host/Lines EMP filter. This filter identifies spam
by identical posting-host headers and article sizes in a short period of
time. You really don't want to turn this off."
Yes, you (talking to news admins here) really want to turn this off. It
prevents a user from posting several posts with the same number of lines
within a time frame.
It's the second most idiotic filter I've ever heard of[1].
Furthermore, cleanfeed will re-cache it's information about "recent" every
time you try to repost a message, so if you try to post a 50 line message
from your current IP more often than the "EMPmaxlife" setting, you will
never be able to post any 50 line posts.
To bypass it, add or remove a line. And call and yell at the Chello
newsadmin and have them remove this silly filter, and if they refuse, at
least reduce the EMPmaxlife setting, which they almost certainly have
increased without understanding the ramifications.
[1]: The most idiotic filter I've seen was one that would reject all IP
addresses that ended with .0 or .255, because surely they had to be fake.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260163 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 00:51 |
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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>>
>>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
>>>
>>>
>>> EMP likely means "Excessive Multi Post". Either they're limiting
>>> your posting to <NN> posts per <period>, or reject crossposts going
>>> to more than <NN> groups.
>>
>>
>> There seems to be no connection to time, though. The occurrences seem
>> completely random; it doesn't seem to matter how many I've posted, how
>> recently I posted before, the time of day... But the ones sitting in
>> my Drafts folder - the ones that didn't post - still won't post. Seems
>> message-speffic.
>
>
> In that case, the news server might think that it's already been posted,
> and trigger an Excessive Multi Post warning because you try to post it
> again.
> See <URL:http://news.individual.net/faq.php?printme#2.8> for details.
Thanks, that link's handy.
> Have you tried looking at Google News to see whether the posting
> actually made it to the outside world? If not, I'd cut and paste it
> into a new post, with a few minor variations.
None of them have showed up. I'll try just adjusting them a bit and
reposting.
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260165 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 00:54 |
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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A News (NNTP) error occurred: Posting Failed (EMP rejected (ph/l))
>>
>>
>> There seems to be no connection to time, though. The occurrences seem
>> completely random; it doesn't seem to matter how many I've posted, how
>> recently I posted before, the time of day... But the ones sitting in
>> my Drafts folder - the ones that didn't post - still won't post. Seems
>> message-speffic.
>
>
> Checking a bit further, I find this information in the cleanfeed docs:
>
> "do_phl
> Turns on the NNTP-Posting-Host/Lines EMP filter. This filter identifies
> spam by identical posting-host headers and article sizes in a short
> period of time. You really don't want to turn this off."
>
>
> Yes, you (talking to news admins here) really want to turn this off. It
> prevents a user from posting several posts with the same number of lines
> within a time frame.
> It's the second most idiotic filter I've ever heard of[1].
>
> Furthermore, cleanfeed will re-cache it's information about "recent"
> every time you try to repost a message, so if you try to post a 50 line
> message from your current IP more often than the "EMPmaxlife" setting,
> you will never be able to post any 50 line posts.
>
> To bypass it, add or remove a line. And call and yell at the Chello
> newsadmin and have them remove this silly filter, and if they refuse, at
> least reduce the EMPmaxlife setting, which they almost certainly have
> increased without understanding the ramifications.
>
> [1]: The most idiotic filter I've seen was one that would reject all IP
> addresses that ended with .0 or .255, because surely they had to be fake.
That was possibly the most useful post I've ever seen on AFP. That
sounds like you've hit the nail right on the head - so the admins at
Chello will be getting a phone call tomorrow, and you've just given me
the ammo I need. Thanks!
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260186 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 01:04 |
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Torak wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> Checking a bit further, I find this information in the cleanfeed docs:
>>
>> "do_phl
>> Turns on the NNTP-Posting-Host/Lines EMP filter. This filter
>> identifies spam by identical posting-host headers and article sizes in
>> a short period of time. You really don't want to turn this off."
>>
>> Yes, you (talking to news admins here) really want to turn this off.
>> It prevents a user from posting several posts with the same number of
>> lines within a time frame.
>> It's the second most idiotic filter I've ever heard of.
>>
>> To bypass it, add or remove a line. And call and yell at the Chello
>> newsadmin and have them remove this silly filter, and if they refuse,
>> at least reduce the EMPmaxlife setting, which they almost certainly
>> have increased without understanding the ramifications.
>
> That was possibly the most useful post I've ever seen on AFP. That
> sounds like you've hit the nail right on the head - so the admins at
> Chello will be getting a phone call tomorrow, and you've just given me
> the ammo I need. Thanks!
It seems that you were right - by adding a few carriage returns I've
just got two weeks' backlog of posts posted. Bollocking will occur
tomorrow...
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260200 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 01:58 |
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Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> That was possibly the most useful post I've ever seen on AFP. That
> sounds like you've hit the nail right on the head - so the admins at
> Chello will be getting a phone call tomorrow, and you've just given me
> the ammo I need. Thanks!
Anytime -- if I ever need advice in urban combat survival gear[1], I'll be
sure to ask you! :-)
[1] Probably the next time I visit friends in Islington, if it's turned as
bad as I've been told.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260222 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 05:14 |
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On 26 Apr, Torak wrote:
[snip]
> That was possibly the most useful post I've ever seen on AFP. That
> sounds like you've hit the nail right on the head - so the admins at
> Chello will be getting a phone call tomorrow, and you've just given me
> the ammo I need. Thanks!
OTOH, the likelihood of actually being able to speak to one of the
server acolytes is rapidly approaching zero. I obviously don't know
how your ISP does things, but your best bet would be to request an
escalation to the server guys via whatever process they have in place
for reporting server issues or faults.
Don't count on it getting fixed any time soon.
If you can afford EUR10 per annum, sign up with news.individual.net
instead (http://news.individual.net/)
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------ ----
I'm not telling you who I work for - in any case, there's no way
anything posted (or mailed!) by me can be attributed to them....
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260268 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 11:36 |
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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That was possibly the most useful post I've ever seen on AFP. That
>> sounds like you've hit the nail right on the head - so the admins at
>> Chello will be getting a phone call tomorrow, and you've just given me
>> the ammo I need. Thanks!
>
>
> Anytime -- if I ever need advice in urban combat survival gear[1], I'll
> be sure to ask you! :-)
>
> [1] Probably the next time I visit friends in Islington, if it's turned
> as bad as I've been told.
Well, you can start with www.blackhawk.com. If that's not enough, try
www.paraclete.com.
To accessorise, go to www.wgcshop.com
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260274 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 11:41 |
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Torak wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> Anytime -- if I ever need advice in urban combat survival gear,
>> I'll be sure to ask you! :-)
>
> Well, you can start with www.blackhawk.com. If that's not enough, try
> www.paraclete.com.
>
> To accessorise, go to www.wgcshop.com
You forgot the NSFW tag.
Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
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| Re: [I] NNTP woes [message #260278 ] |
Do, 27 April 2006 11:46 |
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Orjan Westin wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>>Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>>>Anytime -- if I ever need advice in urban combat survival gear,
>>>I'll be sure to ask you! :-)
>>
>>Well, you can start with www.blackhawk.com. If that's not enough, try
>>www.paraclete.com.
>>
>>To accessorise, go to www.wgcshop.com
>
> You forgot the NSFW tag.
Doh, sorry. I forgot to warn that I was linking to what's known in the
airsoft business as "gear pr0n".
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